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Post by ghinzu on Feb 12, 2008 21:46:04 GMT
If you like the original then I guess you're gonna feel that way... I reckon if it were an LP5 track, that would be the beginning of the end of the Massive... as would've been the case if Reflection or NOT was the basis for 100th Window... I just don't think the hook-free, non-lyrical, non-musical, sound design exhibit direction is sustainable for a popular multi-million selling band, but thats just my 2p... Well, to be honest, I wouldn't want them to go the United Snakes-way on the new record, but I seem to be one of the few who really likes it.. it's in a different league all together than NOT, but I can't explain you why I think so, though.. |
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Post by ex on Feb 12, 2008 21:56:23 GMT
I can probably explain for you.
Its much better produced than NOT. Much nicer sound fidelity and the usual genius from Davidge taking D's voice putting it through a massive reverb and creating a sort of moaning effect which is the sound you hear in the background of the original as well as taking D's sibilance, those ssss sounds you hear and making pretty resonant patterns out of them. So in terms of sweet production and sound design its fantastic
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Post by ghinzu on Feb 12, 2008 23:07:43 GMT
Well yes indeed ;D
And I think Reflection is brilliant too...
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Post by briaeos on Feb 13, 2008 9:39:31 GMT
hmmmm, reflection...nice intro and then one big nothing...eventhough it sounded ok live (very agressive)...
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Post by briaeos on Feb 13, 2008 9:42:32 GMT
I just don't think the hook-free, non-lyrical, non-musical, sound design exhibit direction is sustainable for a popular multi-million selling band, but thats just my 2p... but it could be damn fine record too...ah, wishful thinking...  |
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Post by ex on Feb 13, 2008 10:08:19 GMT
I just don't think the hook-free, non-lyrical, non-musical, sound design exhibit direction is sustainable for a popular multi-million selling band, but thats just my 2p... but it could be damn fine record too...ah, wishful thinking... Even if its not musical? How did you get on finding the frequencies Mr Bri? |
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Post by ex on Feb 13, 2008 10:14:27 GMT
Well yes indeed ;D And I think Reflection is brilliant too... Which MA track, excluding ones that were obviously G or Mushroom-led productions, do you not think is brilliant... |
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Post by briaeos on Feb 13, 2008 10:31:05 GMT
Even if its not musical? How did you get on finding the frequencies Mr Bri? even then...well, as i started to explore more experimental forms of music in last few years i alaways thought that it would be quite interesting that ma go more experimental...but would it be their end or new beginnig, who konws... all frequnecies found...nice touch! |
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Post by ex on Feb 13, 2008 10:46:02 GMT
even then...well, as i started to explore more experimental forms of music EX-actly:- "music", if its not musical it cannot be music!  I dunno what the guys will end up doing, but after a long time being lost - if you've not spent months and months 'experimenting' solo you probably don't know what thats like - I've come to my original conclusion that its mainly about tunes and emotions and words... harmonies and rhythms.... and intuitive variations... the sound design and clever prod should be there 2, fed back in restrainedly from the experimental phase, just hovering over to refreshen... |
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Post by caz on Feb 13, 2008 10:56:38 GMT
I'm not much of a fan of United Snakes either, although i did at one point like it. The track just meanders along for way too long and becomes quite boring. It also sounds too 'polished' and over-produced. Whatever software they're using these days seems to suck the soul out of the music...way too sanitized in my opinion.
I like your mix, Ex. Your additions have added some highlights and interest. I get that little guitar loop (think it's a guitar loop) stuck in my head for ages after listening to it. Seems that everyone who likes the original prefers it to your mix and those that aren't fond of the original like your mix.
Thanks for sharing it with us.
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Post by briaeos on Feb 13, 2008 13:09:51 GMT
EX-actly:- "music", if its not musical it cannot be music! I dunno what the guys will end up doing, but after a long time being lost - if you've not spent months and months 'experimenting' solo you probably don't know what thats like - I've come to my original conclusion that its mainly about tunes and emotions and words... harmonies and rhythms.... and intuitive variations... the sound design and clever prod should be there 2, fed back in restrainedly from the experimental phase, just hovering over to refreshen... well, if we want to be precise: "A definition should not be negative where it can be positive."  i guess that when we both say/write/think "musical" we are refering to "having the pleasing harmonious qualities of music : melodious". and as we apply rule that "A definition must set out the essential attributes of the thing defined.", you are right. but, if the experimental side is dominat can it be classified as music(al) or not because mayority would find it dispelasing? how can it be labeled then? is it "art", "sound instalation" or what? |
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Post by ex on Feb 13, 2008 13:21:18 GMT
Yep, 'sound installation' or 'sound exercise' or 'sound design'. And of course let us not forget - experimentation and music aren't mutually exclusive!
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Post by briaeos on Feb 13, 2008 13:33:05 GMT
so, where is the line which divides "music" from "sound installation (or whatever)" and who draws it?
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Post by ghinzu on Feb 13, 2008 17:00:06 GMT
Well yes indeed ;D And I think Reflection is brilliant too... Which MA track, excluding ones that were obviously G or Mushroom-led productions, do you not think is brilliant... Ha, I was expecting that question and a quite accurate as well. Well, I admit there are very few Massive songs I don't like - at the very least. I just really like the Massive sound, it's kind of annoying but MA can do little wrong in my eyes... it's the only band I'm that easy on... but to answer your question, I don't think every one of their tracks is brilliant: United Snakes is soothing, but not brilliant. Reflection just happens to be one of my favorites from the old day (possibly coz it just reminds me of Risingson, but it stands on itself very well I'd say, and well, it's a B side). I don't think too highly of False Falgs (but REALLY liked it live), same goes for pretty much every bonus-track on Collected (with the exception of Live With Me), they were "nice", but not a whole lot more.. I like most of their songs, but 'brilliant' is only for about 20 or so songs (which is still alot, I know). |
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Post by ghinzu on Feb 13, 2008 17:03:57 GMT
Oh, and no offence, but I do believe your "music"-argument goes nowhere... good music has melody? Why? Good music is music you can hum to? Sing along to? Then I'm afraid I rarely listen to any music, only "sound experiments" (experimental music in other words..), but I do admit I have a pretty loose definition of 'music', for me every sound can be labelled as music, even random noises...
But ya know, that's where we differ in opinion, nothing to do 'bout it ;D
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